I was recently asked about Dr David Bull and his credibility as a presenter. I vaguely recalled him being caught lying to BadPsychics during an interview, but since I did not conduct the interview personally I could not recall the details.
So I delved deep into the BadPsychics archive, really deep, like I had to google some stuff cause I had no idea! Then after speaking to the "Founder", I was sent an original copy of the interview, and I am happy to republish it here purely as a historical document for people interested in how Most Haunted was originally exposed as being faked in various aspects.
This is not really new news, since it was published on the original BadPsychics site well over a decade ago. The bits of interest I have highlighted in RED, enjoy!
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Interview with Dr David Bull - 15th
November 2004
[BadPsychics]
I would like to welcome Dr David Bull to the site, for those of us
unaware of your work, could you please give us a quick history lesson
on how you got to where you are now.
[David
Bull] I am a fully qualified doctor and made the transition into
television in 1995 where I gave medical advice to people going
abroad. I then moved to Newsround on BBC1 where I became the first
person in the world to broadcast to children about health issues. I
was then given my own show Sort It! - a teenage debate show. I was
also doing a lot of daytime TV when I then moved to Watchdog on BBC
One where I had the great pleasure of working with Annie Robinson. I
hosted Watchdog Healthcheck after that and then Tomorrow’s World
Live! Other shows followed and then I started MHL two years ago. If
you really want more detail – my full biography is on my website
– www.davidbull.com
How
does a GP end up presenting a paranormal based investigatory show on
a cable channel?
I was
a hospital doctor and loved it but I hated the system we worked
under. I have always loved TV and so decided to change track.
For
quite a while the BadPsychics site has been a major critic of your
work on Most Haunted Live, but recently we have had a change of
heart. After speaking with Louie Savva firstly after his appearance
on MHL10, he declared that you were a "really nice chap"
and that off camera you looked after him during his first TV
appearance. And more recently after speaking with Matthew Smith on
the phone after night 2 of MHL11, he also declared you to be a really
nice bloke and nothing like your TV Character. What are your thoughts
on both Louie and Matthew?
I
think it’s really funny you are so critical of me. As you will no
doubt know by now – all of us on the team are really good friends –
we all respect each other and have spent many long hours after the
show drinking in the bar. Both Louie and Matthew are really great
guys. They have a job to do and so do I!
Do
you ever feel bad having to give Matthew Smith and Louie Savva such a
hard time on MHL?
No.
Of course not.
Right you
probably wont like this question, but what the hell, on your semi
regular appearances on CH5's The Wright Stuff, you were once
participating in a debate about mentally unstable people. And the
conversation moved around to people who claim to hear the voices of
spirits. You said and I quote "People who hear spirit voices are
psychotic" would you still stick with that statement?
I
think you’ve probably taken my comments out of context. I remember
explaining that hearing voices is one of the symptoms of
Schizophrenia – which is true. And schizophrenia is a Psychotic
Illness. It was not a derogatory term.
And
to follow up on the last question, do you believe that mediums like
Derek Acorah, David Wells, Ian Lawman etc are really "hearing"
such voices? Or do you think they are making it up?
I
still don’t know what I think. I started the show extremely
sceptical and yet I have seen and heard many things which have
challenged that view. I really like all the people you mention. I
have spent a lot of time with Derek and David in particular and they
know exactly what I think of them. Suffice it to say we get on really
well – we even call and text each other off screen!
I also
think it’s important that you understand that the programme is
subject to rules and regulations laid down by the regulator formerly
the ITC now OffCom. My job is to provide a balanced show. It cannot
be propaganda and must leave people to make up their own minds.
Matthew Smith is there to lend an academic viewpoint which
counterbalances what we hear and see from the investigative team. The
Historians are there to cooberate facts. And I am there to be the
ringmaster. The show also has two compliance officers to make sure
that we stick to the rules.
What
are your thoughts on MHL10 from Maes Artro Heritage - Llanbedr, North
Wales? Did you notice that every single name that Derek came up with
could all be found on one single webpage? And did you also know that
even the order that he revealed them, was the same as they were shown
on the site? What do you think of this coincidence?
It
was a great show. I still don’t know what I think. Derek comes up
with some amazing stuff. He’s often shown to be accurate but also
there are times when he isn’t.
Will
Hanaran of Hanaran Media, who produced the MHL where the famous spoon
was thrown by Yvette has categorically stated that NO spirit threw
the spoon, and in fact only one of two people could've thrown it. He
refuses to say who. I wonder, who do you think it was? (cough Karl
cough)
Will is entitled
to his own opinion. Will was in the gallery during the show and not
on location with the team so I think you should ask the team. No-one
else was there. We saw what you did.
Your
catchphrases include "fantastic" and "amazing"
when you say these, do you really think something is fantastic or
amazing, or are you just saying that to annoy us sceptics?
I
don’t set out to annoy you. I'm also a sceptic so how does that
work?
You have an
unusual knack of making it seem that a lot is happening on MHL when in
fact nothing at all has happened. This is a great ability, and do you
think this is one of the reasons you host the show?
Thank
you. I don’t know. Ask the producer or the commissioning editor or
the channel controller!
During
the last MHL, for about 1 hour, Yvette, Ciaran and the crew were
measuring each others farts (for lack of a better word) with a 25
thousand pound thermal imaging cam. Have you seen this clip yet? and
if yes what did you think?
Of
course I saw it - I see everything that goes out on air. I think the
thermal imaging camera is a great idea. I am a big fan of bringing in
more science to the show. If we can capture something on specialist
equipment it would provide a very powerful argument that there really
is something out there.
NOTE: He had not seen this clip, as this clip never aired on the show, this was one of the behind the scenes clips that I leaked onto the internet and had come from the legendary Most Haunted Mole
As
a doctor, and in your professional opinion, have you seen any
conclusive evidence that any kind of psychic ability exists? And what
is your diagnosis of people who claim to be able to speak to the
dead?
If I had truly
conclusive proof I would be a believer. As I said earlier I have seen
some amazing stuff that has opened my eyes and helped me to look at
things in a different way. I cannot prove nor disprove that people
can talk to the dead.
Richard
Felix often claims that certain info that Derek comes out with, is
only in rare hard to find books, yet we always find all the info
within seconds of using Google on the net, do you think Richard Felix
is deliberately trying to mislead the public with regards to how
Derek may or may not be able to research things?
Richard
Felix thinks Derek is amazing. Richard is not a cynic. He is
certainly not setting out to mislead people.
Gwen
Acorah is often to be seen with her Laptop in hand, have you ever
seen her with her laptop? And have you ever seen Derek looking with
Gwen at her laptop during a live show?
NO.
Gwen often doesn’t stay for the whole show.
When
someone is picked out of the audience to participate on the show,
would you agree that these people are pre selected and not random as
suggested on the show, and would you also agree that they have to
sign contracts to prevent them talking about anything they see?
They
are picked at random. They have no idea that they are to be picked
and they do not sign contracts to prevent them talking about what
they see.
(The Following
Reply was added after the original interview had come back)
Reply.
I have a been told of someone who was approached while waiting to go
in before the show. He was taken to a car and talked through the
procedure, and made to sign legal papers regarding appearing on the
show. Also at the last MHL, many people have reported that the girl
who was chosen out of the audience was actually at the location and
in the VIP area before anyone else. I would say with upmost surety
that the people chosen, are chosen before the show has started, and
are prepped as such. Do you think there is a chance you have been
kept out of the loop regarding this?
I’m
afraid I really don’t have any more time – if you want to know
any more technical details of the show please can you ask Carl
Beattie at Antix or Living TV.
A
while back on a Most Haunted Live, a pre recorded scene was presented
as Live. The scene in question is the now infamous "Mary Loves
Dick" scene. I have a copy of the original tape. Not only was
the tape NOT shot in night vision as was suggested on the show, the
tape also brings into doubt many aspects of the show.
The
fact it is not live, and that Yvette is apparently hearing you
confirm that the historians are excited about what Derek has said,
brings into doubt the validity of the whole scene. Can i ask you
straight, why was the scene pre recorded? Did yourself, Yvette and
the historians know in advance that the remarks Derek would make
would be correct? and if so how if it is not scripted?
I
remember the scene. In the earlier days of the show we had less
technical capability and a couple of things were recorded. In general
we do say when the audience is about to see a recorded vigil. I can’t
remember whether this scene was recorded but if it was it makes it no
less valid. If it was recorded I wouldn’t have seen it before
transmission and neither would any of the experts.
(The
Following Reply was added after the original interview had come
back)
Reply. After sending David Bull the footage mentioned in the
above question i replied. If yourself and the historians had not seen
the footage before transmission, then how would Yvette have known
what yourself and the historians would say at least 5 hours before
you said it?
I’m
afraid I really don’t have any more time – if you want to know
any more technical details of the show please can you ask Carl
Beattie at Antix or Living TV.
Do
you think there is any scientific merit in experiments such as Table
Tipping, Staring in mirrors, and other such parlour tricks?
It’s
not scientific but it's fascinating. And nothing you see is in anyway
faked or made up.
I
would like to if possible finish on simple word association, in just
a few words could you please give what first comes to mind.
1.Most
Haunted
The most amazing
show to come out of Living TV.
2.Derek
Acorah
A lovely guy who may
have an extraordinary gift.
3.Matthew
Smith
The housewives
favourite!
4.Table
Tipping
Amazing to watch if
something happens.
5.David
Wells
A brilliant new
addition to the show. Thrilled he’s on it.
6.Orbs
Very
visible and I’ve seen a lot of them.
7.Ghosts
A
fascinating subject to investigate.
8.Psychic
ability
An art.
9.Uri
Geller
Spoon
Bender
10.BadPsychics.co.uk
(This Site)
Investigative.